AE1020: Lazy Notebook

How Blue and Green Eye Island Trolled the Internet

There’s a puzzle that became Internet-famous on xkcd and Terrence Tao’s blog. I’d heard of it, and vaguely recall that I looked at it and skimmed over the solution years ago. But I didn’t remember the details.

Since I want to get better at math, and had forgotten what the big fuss was over this question, it crossed my mind to go look it up again. (I chose the less-violent xkcd formulation.)

Feel free to think about it yourself…or just be lazy and read what is claimed as the answer.

I thought I didn’t have too much of a problem with it. What I worked through on my own was:

  1. The guru can never know their eye color, and thus never leaves the island.

  2. The symmetries of the problem dictate that everyone has equal information. So if one person of any eye color leaves the island on a given day, then all people with that eye color must leave that same day.

  3. An islander can only communicate information to other islanders through the act of NOT leaving.

(The obvious aspect of #3 is that islanders can’t communicate to others with the SAME eye color by the act of leaving–since they all leave at once. But going again with symmetry justifying #2, that leaving doesn’t show anything the people with the other eye color didn’t already know either. e.g. those who stay must have been able to predict who would leave, just as easily as the people who actually left did.)

I figured that despite having such limited possible actions, the islanders can still establish a convention through which they can transmit a number to each other.

The Power Of Protocol

To make use of their counting facility, the islanders have to mutually conclude to use the same contract. At least one possible contract is:

"Each of us agrees to communicate to the group how many blue-eyed people
we see by not leaving for (at least) that number of days."

With the numbers in the xckd puzzle, the situation after 99 days of this protocol is that no one will have left yet. At this point, everyone has become aware that everyone else must have counted at least 99 blue-eyed people.

That means on the ninety-ninth day:

On the 100th day, the blue-eyed people leave. The brown-eyed people never know their own eye color, and stay.

So with this contract, the 99th day is a turning point. Blue-eyed people have a Eureka moment of “I knew there were at least 99 blue-eyed people here, but did not know ALL of you knew that…until now.” Because of the symmetries in the problem, the brown-eyed people must have the same Eureka.

You can try this and find it works for numbers other than 100 (if that was not obvious).

Trolling on a Mass Scale?

Here’s where my issues started. I was having a hard time finding some sort of plain language answer to this question:

Why do the islanders have to wait 99 whole days, when they all know that
no one is going to leave on the first day?

When you think of it as a protocol, you say “the protocol isn’t finished, the tipping point wasn’t reached”. New information comes each day. But that appears to fly in the face of what’s “obvious”.

I was willing to believe that there were 99 hidden variables that were multiplexed across all the “voting members” in the protocol. And while I couldn’t see exactly how to formalize their collective haze that clarified and eventually clicked, it wouldn’t be surprising if when all the shards of unknown-ness summed up to the right number due to symmetry.

So I gave up and started reading more about the problem, and became utterly confused. It seemed the more I looked at people arguing about it, the further I was getting from an actual explanation.

I’d been assuming that the guru could just as well have said “Protocol Blue: Start Counting Today”. This would give a color and a synchronization point. But people were pointing to induction and insisting:

Until the guru told them they could see a blue-eyed person...*the islanders
could not be collectively certain there were any blue-eyed people at all*.

This is rather hard to believe. One comment on the Wikipedia talk page for “Common Knowledge” summed up the feelings of most skeptics:

I feel like I'm being trolled on a mass scale.

Everyone uses examples of 1 and 2 people, where it works, and then jumps to
it working for k > 2, when it just doesn't. If k > 1, *everyone* already
sees blue eyes, and the announcement doesn't introduce any new knowledge in
any way.

We are to assume the islanders can count the number of blue eyes people to
induce the number of days to wait as k, but they have some inexplicable
internal block that says despite everyone seeing at least one blue eye
person (in k>2) they don't know it until the oracle states it explicitly?

(There is also a lengthy argument between “Jane Q. Public” and “SPACKlick”, which is an example of the sort of baffling lengths people seem to go to on this topic.)

Benefits And Dangers of Problem Simplification

Like many people who look at this, it didn’t actually occur to me that I could break it down recursively. My reason was that it feels kind of “interlocked”; people are looking all at each other. It’s as if there’s a string connecting each of the islanders…and you can’t just go in and yank out one person and all their strings. You seem to risk changing the character of the problem.

This is echoed in the complaint I quote above; which says that breaking things down through recursion cuts across intuitive points that apply in smaller cases but not bigger ones. For instance:

A. Two blue eyed people looking at each other CAN’T be sure that everyone can see at least one blue eyed person.

B. Three blue eyed people looking at each other CAN be sure that everyone can see at least one blue eyed person.

It feels incorrect to say that the way to show that (B) is actually false is to have one of those three people remove themselves from consideration…at which point it becomes no different than (A).

And in this case, it FEELS incorrect because it WOULD be incorrect to try to falisfy (B) using such a simplification. The situations are different, and the statements are both true.

But this is fundamentally not about knowing what everyone else can SEE, it’s about knowing what everyone else KNOWS.

So the actual applicable statements are:

A. Two blue eyed people looking at each other CAN’T be sure that everyone can see at least one blue eyed person.

B. Three blue eyed people looking at each other CAN’T be sure that everyone can be sure they are looking at two people who are each certain the other is seeing at least one blue eyed person.

Some people suggest understanding why the guru’s statement had meaning by pointing out a version that wouldn’t have been useful: which would be to take each villager aside and go “Pssst…there’s a blue eyed person on this island.” They’d all say “I already knew that” and it would serve no point.

But when the guru makes the statement to everyone in front of everyone, it removes any doubt of what the others know. Everyone knows that everyone knows.

Hopefully This Helps

Reading many “authoritative” explanations, I think there’s not enough of a lead-in to the rationale of why it’s safe or correct to use recursion to break down the problem. That was certainly a sticking point for me.

But I’m comfortable with it now. If you’re reading this maybe you’re not there yet, but you’ll get there. :-)

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